Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 03:24:29 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [bpfk] Re: Alternatives to {bo} in {i ... bo}?
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Le jeudi 9 juillet 2015 01:38:16 UTC, la durka a =C3=A9crit :
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> The way I understand it, that's exactly the point. Left grouping is the=
=20
> default nearly everywhere, and {bo} reverses it when necessary.
>
> =20
>
We have {ke} or {tu'e} for any grouping (la jbofi'e has limitation in {ke},=
=20
and la camxes and la ilmentufa inherited it, but it is resolved in la=20
zantufa_0.16 or later).=20

Besides right-grouping, {bo} has un-substitutable role in the grammar as=20
short scope joiner, and we have no short scope joiner in left-grouping=20
(similarly, we have no long scope joiner in right-grouping other than=20
{co}). This lack brings problems in practical use.

In order to make the grammar more useful, we would have two alternatives.

1. all joiners do grouping to the same direction, and use {ke} or {tu'e}=20
for different grouping.
2. create two cmavo for each scope of joiner, one for left-grouping, and=20
another for right-grouping.

I prefer 1 for simplicity, and did it in my parser la zantufa.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>Le jeudi 9 juillet 2015 01:38:16 UTC, la durka a =
=C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margi=
n-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=3D=
"word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:=
13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">The way I understan=
d it, that&#39;s exactly the point. Left grouping is the default nearly eve=
rywhere, and {bo} reverses it when necessary.</div> <br> <div></div> <br></=
div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>We have {ke} or {tu&#39;e} for an=
y grouping (la jbofi&#39;e has limitation in {ke}, and la camxes and la ilm=
entufa inherited it, but it is resolved in la zantufa_0.16 or later).=C2=A0=
</div><div><br></div><div>Besides right-grouping, {bo} has un-substitutable=
 role in the grammar as short scope joiner, and we have no short scope join=
er in left-grouping (similarly, we have no long scope joiner in right-group=
ing other than {co}). This lack brings problems in practical use.</div><div=
><br></div><div>In order to make the grammar more useful, we would have two=
 alternatives.</div><div><br></div><div>1. all joiners do grouping to the s=
ame direction, and use {ke} or {tu&#39;e} for different grouping.</div><div=
>2. create two cmavo for each scope of joiner, one for left-grouping, and a=
nother for right-grouping.</div><div><br></div><div>I prefer 1 for simplici=
ty, and did it in my parser la zantufa.</div></div><div><br></div></div>

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