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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9si216303wmd.2.2015.11.21.10.23.11 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Nov 2015 10:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::234; Received: by mail-wm0-x234.google.com with SMTP id w144so58041571wmw.0 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2015 10:23:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.228.214 with SMTP id b205mr10287677wmh.46.1448130191831; Sat, 21 Nov 2015 10:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.15.140 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Nov 2015 10:23:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <22b21ea5-34d2-4081-9be6-ff6836dd8ce3@googlegroups.com> References: <564CB21D.9040200@gmail.com> <22b21ea5-34d2-4081-9be6-ff6836dd8ce3@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 15:23:11 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] lu .i broda li'u jo'u lo si'o .opservative From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114b14e4ac3c760525111582 X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jjllambias@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 13624 --001a114b14e4ac3c760525111582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:38 AM, guskant wrote: > > jo'au zantufa_1.1 > ni'o lo si'o opservative cu na sai srana zo za'a > ie ru'e .i lo valsi po'u zoi gy observative gy cu se cerda ma'a la loglan .i na bauske valsi .i JCB tai di'e ciksi "But by 1975 it had *still* not become clear to me where the sensible limits of *lo-*usage lay. It wasn't until a few years after the publication of the first Loglan paperbacks in 1975--not until 1978, in fact, when John Parks-Clifford and I were discussing the merits of Scott Layson's proposal that we add a formal "observative" to the language (Scott's proposal had been that we enable our observative with a regular inflection of the predicate)--that both of us discovered, more or less simultaneously, that we already *had* an observative! We had *lo*. It was then that *Lo fagro!* and *Lo simba!* entered the language. To mean what? Well, of course to mean the purest of Trobriandic ideas, namely that *some* manifestation of Mr. Fire or Mr. Lion is prowling in the neighborhood. Not much of these gigantic individuals need ever be observed to precipitate observations of them. We shout*Fire! *or* Lions! *in English--*Lo fagro!* or *Lo simba!* in Loglan--at the merest whiff or cough. A big toe--or a *little* toe, for that matter--is enough to precipitate the observation that the "giant" to whom it "belongs" is in the neighborhood. This discovery--for the L observative was in truth *discovered*, not invented (we already had it, remember; it was Scott's invention that we *didn't* adopt)--made it very clear to me that the limits of *lo*-usage in L ought to be as similar to those of the Trobriand Islanders as we could make it. Accordingly I personally began to use *lo*, and to urge others to use it, in observative-like ways: that is, to celebrate *any* manifestation of these giants[...]" http://www.loglan.org/Articles/sets-and-masses.html > i zu'u zo za'a cu se cusku tezu'e lo nu lo cusku cu jungau lo te cusku lo > du'u lo cusku cu ganse da > i zu'unai lo si'o opservative cu sidbo lo nu frati kei lo cusku > i sa'unai la ku'ain ca lo nu pensi lo si'o opservative cu te sidbo lo nu > fanva fo da poi na slabu > i ce'o ky jinvi lo ji'a du'u ro da poi cmene cu ka'e se basti de poi > selbri to mu'a zo pegasus toi kei > e lo ji'a du'u lo ka zvati cu du lo ka se datnyvau > i pi ro la'e di'u cu jicmu la lojban > i lo du'u xokau va'e fa lo du'u la lojban la ku'ain cu srana cu puzu te > tavla loi pijyske mi lo banjupunu to zoizoi > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzqhNYCWKLo zoi toi > i mi pu tavla ji'a fi lo du'u lo finti be la loglan a la lojban cu na'e > rau va'e co jimpe fi lo pijyske po la ku'ain > i ku'i mi jinvi lo du'u ganai da'i lo ve ciksi be la lojban cu rau va'e co > sarxe lo pijyske po la ku'ain gi frili fa lo nu lo jbotadni cu jimpe fi lo > logji stura ne la lojban > je'e .i ku'i pe'i la ku'ain na pu pilno lo valsi po'u zoi gy observative gy ni'o za'a lo so'o se jbobau cu se cinri lo po'o si'o simsa lo rarbau gi'e > se genturfa'i lo cabra kei enai lo si'o logji vu'o po'e la lojban > i e'a lo drata be mi cu cuxna lo nu la lojban cu tutci po'o lo nu lo remna > joi lo minji cu tavla simxu kei gi'e cirko lo si'o logji > i va'o lo nu go'i kei mi cliva la lojban gi'e ku'i ka'e za'o jmive ka'ai > la zantufa noi ru'i ralte lo si'o logji > i ku'i e'o co'u te cmene la lojban lu logji bangu li'u pe'u > oi oi oi zo'o e'o ko io na cliva .i zo'o nai pe'i rau ma'a ja'a se cinri lo logji mlana be la lojban mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. 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On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:38 AM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:

jo'au zantufa_1.1
ni'o lo si'o opservative cu na s= ai srana zo za'a


"But by 1975 it had=C2=A0still= =C2=A0not become clear to me where the sensible limits of= =C2=A0lo-usage lay. It wasn't until a= few years after the publication of the first Loglan paperbacks in 1975--no= t until 1978, in fact, when John Parks-Clifford and I were discussing the m= erits of Scott Layson's proposal that we add a formal "observative= " to the language (Scott's proposal had been that we enable our ob= servative with a regular inflection of the predicate)--that both of us disc= overed, more or less simultaneously, that we already=C2=A0=C2=A0an observative! We had=C2=A0l= o. It was then that=C2=A0Lo fagro!=C2=A0and=C2=A0Lo simba!=C2=A0e= ntered the language. To mean what? Well, of course to mean the purest of Tr= obriandic ideas, namely that=C2=A0some= =C2=A0manifestation of Mr. Fire or Mr. Lion is prowling in the neighborhood= . Not much of these gigantic individuals need ever be observed to precipita= te observations of them. We shoutFire!=C2=A0or=C2=A0Lions!=C2=A0in English--Lo fagro!=C2=A0or=C2=A0Lo = simba!=C2=A0in Loglan--at the merest whiff or cough. A big= toe--or a=C2=A0little=C2=A0toe, for th= at matter--is enough to precipitate the observation that the "giant&qu= ot; to whom it "belongs" is in the neighborhood. This discovery--= for the L observative was in truth=C2=A0discovered, not invented (we already had it, remember; it was Scott's = invention that we=C2=A0didn't=C2=A0= adopt)--made it very clear to me that the limits of=C2=A0l= o-usage in L ought to be as similar to those of the Trobri= and Islanders as we could make it. Accordingly I personally began to use=C2= =A0lo, and to urge others to use it, in o= bservative-like ways: that is, to celebrate=C2=A0any= =C2=A0manifestation of these giants[...]"

=

=C2=A0
= i zu'u zo za'a cu se cusku tezu'e lo nu lo cusku cu jungau lo t= e cusku lo du'u lo cusku cu ganse da
i zu'unai lo si'= o opservative cu sidbo lo nu frati kei lo cusku
i sa'unai la = ku'ain ca lo nu pensi lo si'o opservative cu te sidbo lo nu fanva f= o da poi na slabu
i ce'o ky jinvi lo ji'a du'u ro da = poi cmene cu ka'e se basti de poi selbri to mu'a zo pegasus toi kei=
e lo ji'a du'u lo ka zvati cu du lo ka se datnyvau
=
i pi ro la'e di'u cu jicmu la lojban
i lo du'u x= okau va'e fa lo du'u la lojban la ku'ain cu srana cu puzu te ta= vla loi pijyske mi lo banjupunu to zoizoi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3DlzqhNYCWKLo zoi toi
i mi pu tavla ji'a fi lo du'u = lo finti be la loglan a la lojban cu na'e rau va'e co jimpe fi lo p= ijyske po la ku'ain
i ku'i mi jinvi lo du'u ganai da&= #39;i lo ve ciksi be la lojban cu rau va'e co sarxe lo pijyske po la ku= 'ain gi frili fa lo nu lo jbotadni cu jimpe fi lo logji stura ne la loj= ban

je'e .i ku'i pe'= ;i la ku'ain na pu pilno lo valsi po'u zoi gy observative gy=C2=A0<= /div>

ni'o za'= a lo so'o se jbobau cu se cinri lo po'o si'o simsa lo rarbau gi= 'e se genturfa'i lo cabra kei enai lo si'o logji vu'o po= 9;e la lojban=C2=A0
i e'a lo drata be mi cu cuxna lo nu la lo= jban cu tutci po'o lo nu lo remna joi lo minji cu tavla simxu kei gi= 9;e cirko lo si'o logji
i va'o lo nu go'i kei mi cliv= a la lojban gi'e ku'i ka'e za'o jmive ka'ai la zantufa = noi ru'i ralte lo si'o logji
i ku'i e'o co'u = te cmene la lojban lu logji bangu li'u pe'u

=C2=A0oi oi oi zo'o e'o ko io na cliva .i zo&#= 39;o nai pe'i rau ma'a ja'a se cinri lo logji mlana be la lojba= n

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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