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To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com References: <391988c7-80ac-45c1-9549-8c22ebf6a113@googlegroups.com> <20190807173307.GL11404@nvg.org> From: Bob LeChevalier Message-ID: <7062992b-d2f3-ef76-7081-d1ca919b04c2@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:08:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBgXsyeDAcOCUYXyG0gI9kXgdSYrwK4M0APKbnkxqiY+8Z85UxEHbuvpL3xhk18x2jJJb7m1C56VtLUPFI8r21kBnZ2QGAgLIA/6sHkjG7qzCagh3xLd KtJm1kNEtudU5hSk8CoI6nkZK/gK2QUBP5Tg2MipohC3jOOdUNev6b2koyl9MWWaZV9tbIcF2bdrsw== X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 34.195.253.206 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mailfrom=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- Content-Length: 1967 On 8/7/2019 6:31 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: >=20 > It is suggested to replace: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is illegal to add a hyphen at a place that is not re= quired by > this > =C2=A0 =C2=A0algorithm. > with: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is possible to optionally add an y-hyphen between th= e > consonants of any > =C2=A0 =C2=A0permissible consonant pair e.g. for stylistic purposes = or for > the ease of > =C2=A0 =C2=A0pronunciation. >=20 >=20 > I don't have the full context, but I assume the "y" would be permitted=20 > betwen the consonants of adjacent rafsi, and not between the consonants= =20 > of any consonant pair at all, otherwise the morphology gets broken ("to= =20 > smabru" cannot be pronounced "to symabru" for example). My opinion, for what it is worth (I don't have a veto), is that if this=20 is an actual change to the morphology as it was defined fora couple of=20 decades, then the fact that Jorge has to raise such questions means that=20 the proposal was not specified completely enough to be properly debated,=20 much less decided. Especially knowing that Jorge could read any recorded=20 discussion/proposal in Lojban, unlike many of the rest of us (including=20 Nora who did much of the later work and explication of morphology issues). I also don't recall any mention of this as a proposal approved by byfy,=20 and reported to the members or the Board by the byfy jatna This proposal should not be incorporated into CLL without a proper=20 documentation, discussion and decision. There is no evidence that such=20 has taken place. lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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