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From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:12:08 +0300
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Subject: Re: [bpfk] Officially updating "Complete Lojban Language" grammar
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 15:08 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:

> On 8/7/2019 6:31 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:
> >
> >     It is suggested to replace:
> >         It is illegal to add a hyphen at a place that is not required b=
y
> >     this
> >         algorithm.
> >     with:
> >         It is possible to optionally add an y-hyphen between the
> >     consonants of any
> >         permissible consonant pair e.g. for stylistic purposes or for
> >     the ease of
> >         pronunciation.
> >
> >
> > I don't have the full context, but I assume the "y" would be permitted
> > betwen the consonants of adjacent rafsi, and not between the consonants
> > of any consonant pair at all, otherwise the morphology gets broken ("to
> > smabru" cannot be pronounced "to symabru" for example).
>
>
> My opinion, for what it is worth (I don't have a veto), is that if this
> is an actual change to the morphology as it was defined fora couple of
> decades, then the fact that Jorge has to raise such questions means that
> the proposal was not specified completely enough to be properly debated,
> much less decided.
>
> Especially knowing that Jorge could read any recorded
> discussion/proposal in Lojban, unlike many of the rest of us (including
> Nora who did much of the later work and explication of morphology issues)=
.
>
> I also don't recall any mention of this as a proposal approved by byfy,
> and reported to the members or the Board by the byfy jatna
>
> This proposal should not be incorporated into CLL without a proper
> documentation, discussion and decision.


What entity should discuss it?

There is no evidence that such
> has taken place.
>
> lojbab
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 15:08 Bob LeChevalier &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org">lojbab@lojban.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 8/7/2019 6:31 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote=
:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is suggested to replace:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is illegal to add a hyphen at a pl=
ace that is not required by<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0algorithm.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is possible to optionally add an y=
-hyphen between the<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0consonants of any<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0permissible consonant pair e.g. for s=
tylistic purposes or for<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the ease of<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0pronunciation.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I don&#39;t have the full context, but I assume the &quot;y&quot; woul=
d be permitted <br>
&gt; betwen the consonants of adjacent rafsi, and not between the consonant=
s <br>
&gt; of any consonant pair at all, otherwise the morphology gets broken (&q=
uot;to <br>
&gt; smabru&quot; cannot be pronounced &quot;to symabru&quot; for example).=
<br>
<br>
<br>
My opinion, for what it is worth (I don&#39;t have a veto), is that if this=
 <br>
is an actual change to the morphology as it was defined fora couple of <br>
decades, then the fact that Jorge has to raise such questions means that <b=
r>
the proposal was not specified completely enough to be properly debated, <b=
r>
much less decided.<br>
<br>
Especially knowing that Jorge could read any recorded <br>
discussion/proposal in Lojban, unlike many of the rest of us (including <br=
>
Nora who did much of the later work and explication of morphology issues).<=
br>
<br>
I also don&#39;t recall any mention of this as a proposal approved by byfy,=
 <br>
and reported to the members or the Board by the byfy jatna<br>
<br>
This proposal should not be incorporated into CLL without a proper <br>
documentation, discussion and decision.=C2=A0 </blockquote></div></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">What =
entity should discuss it?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">There is no evi=
dence that such <br>
has taken place.<br>
<br>
lojbab<br>
<br>
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