Received: from localhost ([::1]:55071 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sr6yy-0002EL-PT; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:34:28 -0700 Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com ([209.85.214.53]:46544) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sr6yr-0002EC-JK for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:34:26 -0700 Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so279836bkw.40 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:34:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fR8gksFH1QE2jnYDpsVyjqs4DUk343vfzW0TvGWE/W0=; b=dVno3ta5W0FvfyEi86Xb8qZ2zeW+hrv5NRvocQNdD/A3LEN+Byxs44/719nh3ijdNb ec3NMhxmhfLAC6qELhJ849YDjcEgTVi3wV8gN2zKews+zWpMlzULfOiHHSechqUiywJM HluQ1V6qulojkCfX7n6gHMkfGgosXQUMLj/8QXohPoVHGdQOBT1ghtT3p6q4YIOIOl8l TL5aHo/6nih8towtC/tVt6CeIki386PGyIxnGOCTj5XSIHqrqxiEmlyU8U3TuZhRuw+v rZ2LS8j2U9v93mQSW4M5Ynu9xH24iJngSvGg5lxAGNg94WwKU5yJ9ORumXt3E1VR0W0F W6iA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.117.3 with SMTP id fk3mr1085247bkc.136.1342528454181; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.56.12 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:34:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5004DD5C.6060305@valint.net> References: <201207161755.00893.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20120716222701.GI21640@mercury.ccil.org> <5004DD5C.6060305@valint.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:34:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: Michael Turniansky To: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.8 X-Spam_score_int: -7 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [jbovlaste] ruslerci X-BeenThere: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1873566175598777420==" Errors-To: jbovlaste-bounces@lojban.org Content-Length: 4199 --===============1873566175598777420== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747553e9cc1d404c505c360 --00151747553e9cc1d404c505c360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Which brings us to the usual discussion of "Can a lujvo mean something other than the sum of it's parts?" e.g can you have "nikyge'u" mean"g1=n1 is an exaggerated creature/character (such as a dog made of nickel) of origin g2" ? (http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/nikyge'u) There are differing opinions on the matter. The CLL says, " The meaning of a lujvo is controlled by --- but is not the same as --- the meaning of the tanru from which the lujvo was constructed" (12.2), which would seem to suggest not, but many say it's perfectly acceptable. --gejyspa On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Compu-Celebi wrote: > On 7/16/2012 3:27 PM, John Cowan wrote: > >> Pierre Abbat scripsit: >> >>> This word has the form of a brivla, but the only use I see for it is as a >>> cmene meaning a species of goose. How should I enter it? >>> >> I'd say it's a lujvo meaning "x1 is a barnacle goose." >> >> That is preposterous. As a lujvo, its place structure would be "x1 > (event) is late by standard x2 and gray." Because events lack color, such > a lujvo also would be preposterous. Neither of the rafsi is even for > "gunse" ("goose") or any other word that refers to birds or other organisms. > > > --00151747553e9cc1d404c505c360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0 Which brings us to the usual discussion of "Ca= n a lujvo mean something other than the sum of it's parts?" =C2=A0= e.g can you have "nikyge'u" mean"g1=3Dn1 is an exaggerat= ed creature/character (such as a dog made of nickel) of origin g2" ? (= http://jbovlaste.= lojban.org/dict/nikyge'u) =C2=A0There are differing opinions on the= matter. =C2=A0The CLL says, "

The meaning of a lujvo is controlled by --- but is not the same as --- the= =20 meaning of the tanru from which the lujvo was constructed" (12.2), whi= ch would seem to suggest not, but many say it's perfectly acceptable.

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