Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RFC_ABUSE_POST,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:18:38 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYnIJ-0004Ht-QZ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:17:56 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYnHR-0004Hn-Ul for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:17:01 -0800 Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.52.238]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYnHO-0004HP-Eu for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:17:01 -0800 Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm16.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2010 22:16:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.185] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2010 22:16:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1068.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2010 22:16:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 380727.76807.bm@omp1068.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 55339 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2010 22:16:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1293833812; bh=g4gRy9OHzFJJAOiPb5US3l9k8JFTGJOD/7ZyVkTC7lI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Edh0DjGmzzBMu/PWtU8U74ppflf0bTExjDr2hTQsfrPhNKLosbNITy4JW3M7OehJbfYWcxp8pKB52JAWV0VUP9X65l3vEKcis5ROyKe561luse41v0ACue8ju+UQ/a2qsFPdvfeC2gaOWXljDtXW6pY/uDlxtglczDyMxeMOkTs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tWxPmtDPAJhZLvvqYy8O/+cQdl5ZFeKV9rECJU+3c8Ye3tPOBJwANFMKgqkDNUWeIeVzEeIXWzUKXYd4A35hWAsWiJsp8M2Hu8qeDIeN25o/HTThu9WHPJdEKk0Ay10tm5kbi9BjERMoINrYi0SUEkH15Z7wjmOXJr344pUqxi8=; Message-ID: <213281.55181.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aM3XQWoVM1kAyy2l933Z8.TgcrIN3UaxxsjKt793SMLvYR3 BVIQcphT0cNbj1mq5hSoolhdihNzmO0QHUzUiEaLaHUuC3O4eIrxxfeaYCNN mZ92mZGZpnUMPvn5ON8vKcsmaXdQgy2lDs.0EO7Lx2nuxuSU0Urs0185Oim. wJtFkWPM7txAAe_7t8tTzsjRqmP81Puv74n7DPxLHWkBM5PQOewIQJE3X9S8 XTWCnaV__B8QFbydhhCNOw5c4gaAcJlJjIDCiPwT1jfKTNU_Xk3ViYb0ql_T eFcFbTT2dVvl3QazDUwsB.2urbVK2KemCi0OsmrHMhfyOjVP2K9U4EejDKQM l2uCoo1E4hOmZh4Sfx9hn2kWwsEBQiGPayRDCaQ-- Received: from [99.240.58.72] by web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:16:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <212755.25500.qm@web110404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Emperor To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <212755.25500.qm@web110404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 724 Lines: 21 > >Regarding "sorgugnai", I've never been very clear on exactly what a gugde or a >natmi is, but the gismu glosses natmi as "nation/ethnic group" and in brackets >as [people sharing a history/culture], while gugde is a "country" and >parenthetically(people/territory relationship). So, it seems like natmi means >nation in the more specific sense of a largish imagined community, as opposed to > >the more colloquial sense of a political regime as found in the name of the >United Nations. An empire is arguable a type of gugde, but the whole point of it > >is that it rules various natmi. So, perhaps an empire would be a sornai gugje'a, > >while a union like the EU would be a sorgu'e jecta? > I agree. totus