Return-Path: X-Original-To: phma@localhost Delivered-To: phma@localhost Received: from chausie.ixazon.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B2AA260 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: phma@phma.optus.nu Received: from 192.168.7.2 [192.168.7.2] by chausie.ixazon.lan with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.8) for (single-drop); Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f138.google.com (mail-vw0-f138.google.com [209.85.212.138]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC42CE289 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2so1706186vws.20 for ; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-sender:x-apparently-to :received:received:received:received-spf:received:dkim-signature :domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:reply-to:sender :precedence:x-google-loop:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-unsubscribe:x-beenthere-env:x-beenthere; bh=tpMGyDSqIB59o2QIjWcOIK1meJXB0Aenw314CYJoNQE=; b=u56lqk6HiflgJVp+FAITOxcRj+s3Ymi7NyOZ4JzwYCbXk2wlxzb01BgvdhpSN6JTNz 24Ka2Q50kH2Wn8HYA1DAqkeRyR0++w7SIDpjT7Ck99fcCoNzk5mkXzzGNqJgJ+Fwyw2Q tGAeQOBr4Mk75tn7eqJK0CC0b6RWQmx2rtJr0= Domainkey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-sender:x-apparently-to:received-spf:authentication-results :dkim-signature:domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:reply-to :sender:precedence:x-google-loop:mailing-list:list-id:list-post :list-help:list-unsubscribe:x-beenthere-env:x-beenthere; b=brQrpFSDP7KNPuq8igGqo8Kffnc/ltC+ccltZXc1uquENiBhOfNQww9dcHo3BUsh+o jkyKp6vpAhoCfz//WGwtD/17ORx7OC9cXsOFnLUVdBgTgUM74vo6/FA1GyKkHcJupWhd yfXTGJZA3DNMBkjuwxHThFRzXb9091xhqMUj0= Received: by 10.220.87.213 with SMTP id x21mr2740260vcl.2.1251904073599; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.230.17.76 with SMTP id r12gr4vba.0; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:07:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.114.5 with SMTP id c5mr2585055vcq.23.1251904073078; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.114.5 with SMTP id c5mr2585054vcq.23.1251904073046; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f177.google.com (mail-yx0-f177.google.com [209.85.210.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si645ywh.13.2009.09.02.08.07.51; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.177; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Received: by yxe7 with SMTP id 7so1151216yxe.25 for ; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ErsDtOZe1tyVZX5589TaqBHpDRoAj8XvrD5kN/+UulE=; b=FBYAy/kWLjeLyzVAfXtvRm2ZIBz52+z1LLV91QH3RI2X52IhhfqCVoE0g2axdS9Smq 3lYNtLho4EdUimdvPTaf2kKOVJOPM+LDAnzJXJFmDxEbtvYBCbAbh8ziYWkXLlpjm7Ej siVtW4Ra4JC9pPTSMrQJfUzqsE3EyJFdhfUoM= Domainkey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=o903NDzgOL+vc1hyGmQb3N8JEOfjwziP71GmfdH8R7og34F0lVn4FKb3uc2FGHIQ5i 5r4hhmsNrsrQdOHYpyzKLXnTuC1Fy6OyJZ3UG9XAYDeyJYoMLUjWL9vEBxgROawiL/I9 YDJZVHDcqQsOrvO7gD7j98Hm4pYmzr66iHFCc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.174.7 with SMTP id w7mr6189264age.11.1251904066777; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:07:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200909020953.01822.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <1f194146-c6b9-4af1-b3dd-462c407830bc@l9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <200909020953.01822.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:07:46 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560909020807y3742be55h397b638922713f49@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: test example From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Reply-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Sender: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Precedence: bulk X-Google-Loop: groups Mailing-List: list lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-lbck+owner@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: , X-Beenthere-Env: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com X-Beenthere: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Content-Length: 2035 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > Some questions for the test: > > lo _cipnrkuku_ cu _punji_ le ri _sodva_ le zdani be lo _drata_ cipni .i _no > srera_ > (The letters A-E should be under the underlines. I'm not sure of the best way > to do this. Perhaps put the whole sentence in an HTML table with the > underlined words in cells.) I don't like including the "no se srera" option at the same level as the other options. The first sentence is about birds, the second (incomplete) sentence is a metalinguistic comment about the first sentence, it doesn't really make sense to present them as two sentences together. So I would either not include a "no se srera" option or present it in some other way, e.g.: "lo _cipnrkuku_ cu _punji_ le ri _sodva_ le zdani be lo _drata_ cipni" A. cipnrkuku B. punji C. sodva D. drata E. _no se srera_ (written for example in some other font) (Very tricky question. It took me a while to realize that the answer wasn't in fact E. If there wasn't a "no se srera" option it would have been easier. Not sure if we really want to include this kind of thing.) > I have a beard. > A. mi ponse lo xe'akre > B. mi se xe'akre > C. lo xe'akre po mi > D. mi lo xe'akre cu ponse > E. mi du xe'akre I like the idea behind this question, but I don't like that it's a translation. With this kind of question we would need different tests for English speakers, for French speakers, for Japanese speakers, and so on. I know in practice most people taking the test will be English speakers, but I would prefer not to include translation questions and to make the test universal from the get go. We could for example change it to: mi makcu nanmu gi'e na vimcu lo krefu lo xedja ze'a lo jeftu be li so'o .i ja'e bo A. mi ponse lo xe'akre B. mi se xe'akre C. lo xe'akre po mi D. mi lo xe'akre cu ponse E. mi du xe'akre > > What other kinds of questions would be needed for a full proficiency test? Listening comprehension, essay writing, speaking... mu'o mi'e xorxes