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I still think 500 is too many. How many of you agree? -Eppcott 2009/9/2 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM, wrote: >> I've shared a document with you: >> >> Lojban Certification Program >> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=3D0AXXWbvcGZx0nZGY4Nm13dmZfM2M3amNjY2Ro= &hl=3Den&invite=3DCL7BzosH >> >> It's not an attachment -- it's stored online at Google Docs. To open thi= s >> document, just click the link above. >> >> Some thoughts on the certification program. > > Sounds good, except I would rather not include translation questions. > Vocabulary knowledge can be tested in other ways, such as via simple > definitions in Lojban or appropriate use of a word in context. That > way the test is not restricted to English speakers. > > The first task should probably be the selection of the 500 words or so > to be included for the first level, probably based on some usage > frequency data. I guess we should concentrate on the first level test > first. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes >