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OK, been promising it for a while; here it is.

http://teddyb.org/robin/tiki-index.php?page=3DLojban%3A+You're+Doing+It+Wro=
ng

There are all *sorts* of finicky details we could discuss, but right
now I and others would very much just like to get a sense of where
the community stands on these sorts of issues, so, if we could
*please* keep the discussion for now (1) on the main list and (2)
agree/disagree answer to the following question, after you've read
(as much as you wish to) of the essay:

  I would like Lojban to remain as close as it possibly can to its
  current state, regardless of whether I or a group of experienced
  Lojbanists see that improvements could be made.

Agree or disagree?

Thanks.

-Robin

--=20
They say:  "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm  thinking:  "Does it even occur to you to try for something
other  than  the default  outcome?"  See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/

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