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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:51:04 -0500
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Starting stories
From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
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Oh wow.  I didn't realize that.  How would you even use {ki} with a modal?
 Would it be like {mi klama le zdani va'oki mi famgau lo gunka} or would it
be {... va'o mi famgau lo gunka ki}.  And would all other bridi following
this one have the automatic sumti added to them of {... va'o mi famgau lo
gunka}?

My brain is all melty now.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>wrote:

> Directly from the CLL:
>
> So far we have only considered tenses in isolated bridi. Lojban
> provides several ways for a tense to continue in effect over more than
> a single bridi. This property is known as ``stickiness'': the tense
> gets ``stuck'' and remains in effect until explicitly ``unstuck''. In
> the metaphor of the imaginary journey, the place and time set by a
> sticky tense may be thought of as a campsite or way-station: it
> provides a permanent origin with respect to which other tenses are
> understood. Later imaginary journeys start from that point rather than
> from the speaker.
>
> Also, from the ma'oste:
>
> ki        KI       tense default
> tense/modal: set/use tense default; establishes new open scope
> space/time/modal reference base
>
> So I meant modals. I could be wrong - the CLL *doesn't* supply
> examples of non-tense modals being stickied, at least in that section
> I linked.
>
> mi'e .kribacr. mu'o
>
>
>
>

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Oh wow. =A0I didn&#39;t realize that. =A0How would you even use {ki} with a=
 modal? =A0Would it be like {mi klama le zdani va&#39;oki mi famgau lo gunk=
a} or would it be {... va&#39;o=A0mi famgau=A0lo gunka ki}. =A0And would al=
l other bridi following this one have the automatic sumti added to them of =
{... va&#39;o=A0mi famgau=A0lo gunka}?<div>
<br></div><div>My brain is all melty now.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Jameson Orndorff <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jtorndorff@gmail.com">jtorndorff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Directly from the CLL:<br>
<br>
So far we have only considered tenses in isolated bridi. Lojban<br>
provides several ways for a tense to continue in effect over more than<br>
a single bridi. This property is known as ``stickiness&#39;&#39;: the tense=
<br>
gets ``stuck&#39;&#39; and remains in effect until explicitly ``unstuck&#39=
;&#39;. In<br>
the metaphor of the imaginary journey, the place and time set by a<br>
sticky tense may be thought of as a campsite or way-station: it<br>
provides a permanent origin with respect to which other tenses are<br>
understood. Later imaginary journeys start from that point rather than<br>
from the speaker.<br>
<br>
Also, from the ma&#39;oste:<br>
<br>
ki =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0KI =A0 =A0 =A0 tense default<br>
tense/modal: set/use tense default; establishes new open scope<br>
space/time/modal reference base<br>
<br>
So I meant modals. I could be wrong - the CLL *doesn&#39;t* supply<br>
examples of non-tense modals being stickied, at least in that section<br>
I linked.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
mi&#39;e .kribacr. mu&#39;o<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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