Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.185]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18jLod-0007f0-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:02:24 -0800 Received: from [212.227.126.200] (helo=mrvnet.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18jLob-0001N8-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:02:21 +0100 Received: from [172.23.4.133] (helo=config6.kundenserver.de) by mrvnet.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18jLob-0001PI-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:02:21 +0100 Received: from www-data by config6.kundenserver.de with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18jLob-0007Er-00 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:02:21 +0100 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] How to understand facki From: lojban@65536.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-From: 5391625 Received: from 217.87.12.138 by webmail.puretec.de via HTTP X-Binford: 6100 (more power) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:02:21 +0100 X-archive-position: 108 X-Approved-By: lojban@65536.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: lojban@65536.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 574 coi rodo It seems that my {cu}-problem is no longer one, at least at the moment. Thanks for your help. While I was working trough "Lojban for Beginner" I found the gismu {facki} x1 discovers x2 (du'u) about x3 x1 finds (fi) x3 The last line is clear: {mi facki fi le barja} - I discover the bar. But if I want to use the first version, do I have to use {du'u}? At the moment I don't know {du'u} and I will probably wait until it will come in "Lojban for Beginners". I only want to know how to "read" (i.e. understand) the explanation for {facki}. mu'o mi'e .iens.