Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:56:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nNly-0001NF-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:56:19 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0195B32045 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:55:44 +0200 (EET) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp112.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.112]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4541A32038 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:55:42 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E5A6B13.9030101@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:57:23 +0200 From: robin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How to express "nobody"? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 184 X-Approved-By: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1061 lojban@65536.org wrote: > coi rodo > > While playing with Lojban I found a little problem? I can say > {le nanmu cu prami le ninmu} and {le nanmu cu na prami le ninmu}, > but how do I express that nobody loves her? {no lo nanmu cu prami > le ninmu} is the best version so far, {zo'e na prami le ninmu} > should be something like "somebody unimportant doesn't love the > woman". That's true, in the sense that there is one person who doesn't love the woman, but we aren't concerned with who that person is. > Is there a better way to say "Nobody love the woman"? I don't know about better, but there are alternatives. For example: naku su'o da zo'u da prami le ninmu "It is not true that there is at least one X, such that X loves the woman." noda zo'u da prami le ninmu "There is no X, such that X loves the woman." robin.tr -- "The raisins may be the best part of a cake, but that doesn't mean that a bag of raisins is better than a cake." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin