Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from f249.law8.hotmail.com ([216.33.241.249] helo=hotmail.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18fo7X-00063p-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:27:15 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:26:44 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 21:26:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] From: "Jorge Llambias" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Robin's Tagline Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 21:26:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2003 21:26:44.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3902E20:01C2CBCA] X-archive-position: 57 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 912 la ian cusku di'e >x3 = language of the fu'ivla as opposed to x3= source language would be >pretty redundant, since we can probably assume that a fu'ivla is a lojban >word borrowed from some other language. We could speak for example of a word in Spanish borrowed from English. The full place structure should be: x1 is a word meaning x2 in language x3 copied from word x4 meaning x5 in language x6 The meaning of the word in the source language is not always maintained in the target language (usually the copy gets a more specialised meaning, for example "mail" in Spanish, borrowed from English, refers only to electronic mail). And we are leaving aside the method of copying, which might be x7... mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963