Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from cicada.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.164]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ywU5-0006ag-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:13:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by cicada.cec.wustl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2SGEZ819177 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:14:35 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: cicada.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:14:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" X-X-Sender: adam@cicada.cec.wustl.edu To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Restrictions for pro-sumti In-Reply-To: <5391625$10488650063e8468ee94bdd0.51328496@config10.schlund.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 214 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1240 > coi rodo coi .iens > While reading "Lojban for Beginners" I found several possibilities > to refer back to sumti already mentioned. Are there any > restrictions in their usage? I know, that {ri} cannot refer to > {ko'a}, but {vo'a} can, ... But is {la .iens. djuno fi vo'a fe le > du'u la .anias. nelci la .iens.} the same as {la .iens. djuno > fi ri fe le du'u la .anias. nelci. la .iens.} Both of those are the same as la .iens. djuno fi la .iens. fe le du'u la .anias. nelci la .iens > or {la .iens. djuno fi vo'a fe le du'u la .anias. nelci ra}? That ba'e probably means the same thing, although it's more open to context. The vo'a is unambiguous, but {ra} could refer to la .iens. or could possibly refer to someone or something else that had already been mentioned. (Although given the "fi la .iens." it seems very reasonable to assume he's also ra in that context.) Personally, I'm fond of lerfu as prosumti. la .iens. djuno fi .ibu fe ledu'u la .anias. nelci .ibu -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ 'You are a very fine person, Mr Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!' 'Thank goodness!' said Bilbo laughing, and handed him the tobacco-jar.