Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 05 May 2003 23:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CkWF-0001kO-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 11:16:55 -0700 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h45ID7Eo052561; Mon, 5 May 2003 14:13:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h45ID604052557; Mon, 5 May 2003 14:13:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:13:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Invent Yourself To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org cc: tk1@despammed.com Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi lojban. In-Reply-To: <20030505175322.GA1309@panda.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030505141141.W46975-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 300 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1323 On Tue, 6 May 2003 tk1@despammed.com wrote: > Hello, > > > The word formation rules are about the only *syntactic* rules Lojban > > has. > > http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter4.html > > Thanks. > > I am currently flipping through the reference grammar, and I just got > another question: in Chapter 6 this example is given: > > 13.3) ro da poi prenu cu prami pa de poi finpe > All somethings-1 which-are persons love one something-2 > which-is a-fish. > All persons love a fish (each his/her own). > > (This is not the same as "All persons love a certain fish"; the > difference between the two is one of quantifier order.) > > If I change the above Lojban sentence to {pa de poi finpe cu se prami ro da > poi prenu}, will the new sentence take on the first or second meaning? In > other words, can the use of the word {se} potentially _change_ the meaning > of a sentence, in addition to switching sumti order? Yes, it can. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/message/1717 (I would have given a non-jboske and more helpful reference but I can't find any) -- Neoconservatism in the realm of foreign policy is merely Trotskyism-turned-inside-out: a militant internationalism fueled by U.S. taxpayer dollars and backed up by the mightiest military the world has ever seen.