Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:07:27 -0500
From: Jordan DeLong <fracture@allusion.net>
To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi lojban.
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On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 01:53:22AM +0800, tk1@despammed.com wrote:
> Hello,
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> > The word formation rules are about the only *syntactic* rules Lojban
> > has.
> > http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter4.html
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> Thanks.
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> I am currently flipping through the reference grammar, and I just got
> another question: in Chapter 6 this example is given:
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> 	13.3)	ro da poi prenu cu prami pa de poi finpe
> 		All somethings-1 which-are persons love one something-2
> 		    which-is a-fish.
> 		All persons love a fish (each his/her own).
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> 	(This is not the same as "All persons love a certain fish"; the
> 	difference between the two is one of quantifier order.)
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> If I change the above Lojban sentence to {pa de poi finpe cu se prami ro =
da
> poi prenu}, will the new sentence take on the first or second meaning? In
> other words, can the use of the word {se} potentially _change_ the meaning
> of a sentence, in addition to switching sumti order?

It takes the "There is a certain fish that all persons love" meaning.

The change in meaning is because you changed the order of the terms.
You don't need se to do that.  For example {fe pa finpe cu prami
fa ro prenu}.

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Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net
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                                     sei la mark. tuen. cusku

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