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Philip Newton wrote:
> de'i li 2003:5:27 ti'u li 14:57 la keitsyl. cu cusku di'e
> 
> 
>>>It does, and bilingual punning is a feature of lobykulnu.
>>
>>Oh good, it isn't just me :-)  is lobykulnu a lujvo or tanru or
>>something else?  I found kulnu easily in the online dictionary but had
>>to search for "loby", loby and lob both come up empty on the
>>dictionary, but I found "lojbo" has a "lob" rafsi, so I'm guysing loby
>>comes from lojbo.. please elucidate for me. 
> 
> 
> It's a lujvo, formed (as you guessed) from the tanru {lojbo kulnu}. The 
> -y- is inserted because "bk" is not a permissible consonant cluster in 
> Lojban (voiced stop next to unvoiced stop), so lob + kulnu => 
> lobykulnu.
> 
> Other versions of that lujvo (which all mean the same) as {jbokulnu}, 
> {lobyklu}, and {jboklu}. (The dictionary would, presumably, include 
> {jboklu} if it includes any of the forms, since, as I understand it, 
> the dictionary will use the lowest-scoring form of any lujvo, where 
> score takes into account the length of the word, among other things.)
> 
> mu'o mi'e .filip.

I have a personal fondness for lujvo which keep the full form of the 
second element. Sometimes it's for aesthetic reasons; sometimes it's to 
increase the likelihood of the reader getting at least some of my 
meaning; sometimes I can't be bothered to look up the rafsi. There are 
some examples in the Beginner's Course, IIRC. See also the thread on 
nonce lujvo.

robin.tr

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