Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sparkle.rodents.montreal.qc.ca ([216.46.5.7] ident=GUWKKOghpG0C4Azx5A9Cs4RsBmwBFpdaciiNTSRYcp7) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AxsH9-0003h1-Ic for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:36:23 -0800 Received: (from mouse@localhost) by Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06560; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:36:20 -0500 (EST) From: der Mouse Message-Id: <200403011836.NAA06560@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Erik-Conspiracy: There is no Conspiracy - and if there were I wouldn't be part of it anyway. Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:31:54 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: precise definition of cmene In-Reply-To: <20040301110426.GA24435@fysh.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040227185155.03970510@pop.east.cox.net> <20040228013333.44843.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> <20040301110426.GA24435@fysh.org> X-archive-position: 550 X-Approved-By: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 699 >> The proposed rule is that cmene not only end but also start with a >> glottal stop, thus making any other restrictions unnecessary. This seems somewhat broken to me, as it makes it impossible to tell where a cmene ends - unless it is forbidden to _contain_ pauses. Otherwise, if you hear .. it's impossible to tell whether there's another . that ends the cmene coming up, with the second being part of the cmene, or whether the cmene is just the first .., with the second being lojban. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B