Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.27] helo=mwinf0401.wanadoo.fr) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BkoVl-0002HS-FC for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:29:45 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (APuteaux-151-1-15-220.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.120.189.220]) by mwinf0401.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 956B5580045D for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:29:12 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <40F32C10.5010706@nc.rr.com> References: <20040331025859.M31434@fresco.Math.McGill.CA> <20040331192943.GO16966@digitalkingdom.org> <40F32C10.5010706@nc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: jexOm. Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Articles to Refer to Words Themselves Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:29:09 +0200 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-archive-position: 649 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jexOm@free.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1003 coi travis .i mi'e jexOm. Le 13 juil. 04, =E0 02:25, Travis Garris a =E9crit : > I'm baffled as to which articles, or abstractions, I would use to=20 > specify a word itself, and not its meaning. For example, "Bye is a=20 > short form of goodbye." The example I was using at the time was {vol=20= > rafsi volfi}. That starts to look like a tanru, so I tried to put=20 > something in to break up rafsi and volfi. Only think I could come up=20= > with is {vol rafsi zo volfi}. That borrows from (now optional)=20 > English grammar rules. I'm sure it gets the point across, but I'm=20 > sure there is a better way to do it. > > Ideas? > As for your first try, istead of {vol rafsi volfi}, it should be {vol=20 cu rafsi vofli}. {cu} indicates when the selbri starts. But, you need to use a quotation in order to tell that you are speaking=20= of the words. So, it would give: {zo vol cu rafsi zo vofli}. co'o > Travis Garris J=E9r=F4me Desquilbet > Durham, NC, US Ch=E2tillon, 92, France