Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.252.1.53] (helo=mite.int.cec.wustl.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1CCKhK-0005SN-L0 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:19:27 -0700 Received: from mite.int.cec.wustl.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mite.int.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8SGJ4bW020804; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:19:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by mite.int.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i8SGJ4R9020801; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:19:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mite.int.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:19:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: [lojban] mabla notci In-Reply-To: <057BB87B-1164-11D9-99CF-000A9589294C@mac.com> Message-ID: References: <057BB87B-1164-11D9-99CF-000A9589294C@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-archive-position: 796 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 2314 ki'u ma lei mabla te vecnu cu ba'e ca vi te notci The reason you're having trouble reading it is that you're mistaking the main selbri. The main selbri is not {vecnu}, it appears after {cu}, and in this case it is {te notci}. Elaborating a bit ki'u ma With what explanation/justification (why) lei mabla te vecnu the butt-hole buyers (should be {le mabla vecnu}, the butt-hole sellers) This is the first sumti cu about to come to the real brivla ba'e ca *NOW* vi here (used metaphorically, this mailing list) te notci are the senders of message(s) So it amounts to "Why are the butt-hole [buyers, meant sellers] sending messages here *now*?" On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, John Johnson wrote: > I'm a beginner and having a hard time making sense of this. > > ki'u ma lei mabla te vecnu cu ba'e ca > vi te notci > why derogatory (3rd) buyer /now/ here > (3rd) message author > > This seems to translate to: > why sold to butt-holes now a message authored by here > > The reference materials say that TE swaps the first and third places, so: > > vecnu > x1 sells x2 to x3 for amount x4 > > te vecnu > x3 is sold x2 by x1 for amount x4 > > from above: > lei mabla is sold cu ba'e ca by vi for amount te notci > butt-holes are sold now by here for amount the message author > > Can someone help me parse this, please? > > Thanks, > JJ > > > > On Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004, at 08:13 US/Eastern, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 09:34:31AM +1200, mikevdg@gulik.co.nz wrote: >>> Quoting doug : >>> >>>> ki'u ma lei mabla te vecnu cu ba'eca vi te notci >>> >>> (because of reason) (what) (the mass described) (****ing!!) >>> (3rd-person-sell) >>> (very-during) (here) (3rd-person message). >> >> "Why are the sellers *now* here writing?" >> >> Using "lei" to gloss English plurals is somewhat bad usage, but >> unfortunately common. >> >>> Is he complaining about the spam? >> >> It seems likely. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >> Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" >> >> > > > -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. --Anonymous