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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmavo can be selbri?
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"Adam D. Lopresto" <adam@pubcrawler.org> writes:

> Well, if you really wanted to say "xu is a member of the set of cmavo" that
> would be {zo xu cmima lo'i cmavo}, but I think what you really want to say is
> "xu is a cmavo" which is very simply {zo xu cmavo}.

Actually my question had to do with whether all cmavo could be used as
the selbri in a bridi.  'xu' cannot, while 'du' can it seems.  I
suppose it's just arbitrary, or obvious, and perhaps 'xu' could
describe a selbri about x1 x2 x3 being uncertain in relation to each
other.  But I did want to make sure there wasn't some rule I haven't
found yet that states all cmavo can be used as selbri, even ones that
don't fit any undestandable thought pattern. 

You are right though.  ;)  I said "xu zo'e cmavo la xu" when the sumti
should have been "zo xu" and placed in x1 not x2 of cmavo.  Thus "zo
xu cmavo" makes good sense.  And to go full circle, this might make
sense as well to equate 'xu' as a cmavo-thing.

zo xu du le cmavo

Not sure if that also means all cmavo are 'xu' (which is false) but
having not yet mastered lojban numbers I'm definitely stretching to
use 'du' as a selbri.