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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmavo can be selbri?
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--- "Adam D. Lopresto" wrote:
> In general, I really wish du didn't even exist.  For the few times it's
> actually needed one could use dunli instead, and it tends to just get
> overused
> by newbies when there are better solutions out there.  

Actually, {dunli} is quite different from {du}. For
{ko'a dunli ko'e} to make sense, it must be the 
case that {ko'a na du ko'e}. 

For example:

(1) 
le mi karce cu dunli le do karce le ka ce'u skari makau
"My car is equal to your car in what color they are."
(Two cars are involved.)

(2)
le mi karce cu du le do karce
"My car is your car."
(Only one car is involved.)

If (2) is true, then (1) is either trivially true or nonsense,
depending on whether we accept that a thing can be equal to
itself in some property, as opposed to just being itself.

In any case, (1) says something interesting only when (2) is false.

(And what about {mintu}?)

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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