Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CHo5F-0003Tn-AY for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:42:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:42:45 -0700 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmavo can be selbri? Message-ID: <20041013184245.GI12568@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <87r7ocvn9y.fsf@pacbell.net> <200410061402.i96E2VMY019310@mole.e-mol.com> <87hdozatdi.fsf@pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 818 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 752 On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 11:28:01AM -0500, Adam D. Lopresto wrote: > In general, I really wish du didn't even exist. Its sole valid use is in mekso: li pa su'i re du li ci In fact, "dunli" is not equivalent in meaning to "du"; that's "mintu". "dunli" has an "in property" place, which makes it rather different. The reason one can't entirely replace du with mintu is that du has an infinite place structure. The place structure is also a bit different, having a "by standard" place. "du" is really the only selbri that does *pure* identicality, and pure identicality is only useful for tautologies and math. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!"