Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:55:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from bay3-f3.bay3.hotmail.com ([65.54.169.3] helo=hotmail.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CyaVp-0002Su-BD for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:55:01 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:53:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.123.241.82 by by3fd.bay3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:52:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.123.241.82] X-Originating-Email: [mugglesnsquibs@msn.com] X-Sender: mugglesnsquibs@msn.com In-Reply-To: From: "Robert Griffin" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "x" sound Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:52:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 18:53:01.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[69FDB4A0:01C50E0F] X-archive-position: 1121 X-Approved-By: mugglesnsquibs@msn.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mugglesnsquibs@msn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 992 I find the Spanish 'j' and the Lojban 'x' fairly close in pronunciation. >From: "Betsemes" >Reply-To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org >To: >Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "x" sound >Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:35:07 -0400 > > > The "x" sound is made by putting the middle bulge of your tongue against > > the back end of your hard pallate and gargling while forcing air through > > your mouth. It sounds quite disgusting. I think that it's entirely > > possible a native English speaker may never have heard this sound in > > his/her entire life. > > >English is not my native language. I live in Puerto Rico and Spanish is my >native tongue. In Puerto Rico, we have a sound for some words containing >"r" >such as "arroz" that's precisely the sound used for the Klingon "H", so for >me it's just a matter of knowing whether or not Lojban "x" is the same >sound >as Klingon "H" and that's enough. Thanks. > > >