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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:45:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lo brivla valsi
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--- Michael van der Gulik wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> I want to say "Brivla are words". Now, how would you say that?

lo brivla cu valsi

> I could say:
> 
> lo brivla cu valsi
> (some of those which really are brivla are words).

That would be {su'o lo brivla cu valsi}. {lo} by itself 
doesn't impose any quantifier.

> or
> 
> lei brivla cu valsi
> (the mass of those I describe as "brivla" are words).

That would say that the brivla you have in mind, 
taken together, are words. Neither the e (specific/in-mind) 
nor the i (mass/together-as-a-group) seem very justifiable
in this case.
  
> or I could say:
> 
> lo brivla cu cmima lo'i valsi
> (one/some brivla are members of the set of words).

Brivla are members of the set of words. That's like
{lo brivla cu valsi} except you make explicit reference 
to the set of words.

> or even:
> 
> ro da zo'u da brivla .ijanai da valsi (if its a brivla, then its a word)

ijanai -> inaja

> Another way of saying it would be
> "The class 'brivla' are a subclass of class 'word'" (as in 
> Object-Oriented terminology) but I don't know how to say that in lojban yet.

{lo brivla cu klesi lo valsi} or {lo'i brivla cu klesi lo'i valsi},
depending on your take on {klesi}. I would use the first one:
"brivla are a kind of word".
 
mu'o mi'e xorxes


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