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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:10:11 -0500
From: Adam COOPER <adamgarrigus@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nu fanva zoi gy. I pledge allegiance... .gy
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> Yes. Saying "I promise" is one way of making a promise.
> {ca'e} indicates that you are actually making a promise, not
> just describing a state of affairs but creating one.

I think I get it. But can you proffer an example of  a {nupre} usage
that *doesn't* need {ca'e}?

> Then you would say "I pledge ... and I have forfeited my lands",
> if the forfeiting is not "and I hearby forfeit".

O.K.

> > What actually happens is that I pledge allegiance, I actually forfeit
> > lands, & then later I break my pledge.
> 
> Do you then get your lands back?

The lands I forfeit in country B are gone. The lands I hold onto in
country A by pledging allegiance to the king I retain, despite the
later breakage. Pretty good deal.