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Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:04:01 +0100
From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban is not Vulcan or Borg
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:13:18 +1200, Michael van der Gulik
<mikevdg@gulik.co.nz> wrote:
> Philip Newton wrote:
> 
> >la .camgusmis. cu drani ciksi tu'a mi
> >
> mi sruma le du'u la .camgusmis cu cmene la .robin kei

genai la .camgusmis. gi zo .camgusmis. cu ja'a cmene la'o zoi Robin
Lee Powell zoi .i zo camgusmis cu ge gunma zo carmi ce'o zo gusni ce'o
zo misno gi xe fanva zo Robin la lojban lo glibau .i ti'e la camgusmis
na nelci zo .robin. .i mu'i bo mi te se cmene zo camgusmis .enai zo
robin la camgusmis

In general, when you're talking about names, you want {zo ... cu cmene
...} and not {la ... cu cmene ...} since Robin's name is "Robin" (the
word), not Robin (the person).

But yes, camgusmis refers to Robin Lee Powell; it's formed from the
rafsi of carmi+gusni+misno (intense+bright+fame), which is a
translation of the name "Robin" into Lojban. I believe that Robin
doesn't like the various obvious Lojbanisations of his name such as
.robin. or .rabn. or the like and prefers .camgusmis., which is why I
use that name for him. (And I further believe that of the
"Robin"-based names, he dislikes .rabn. less since .robin. has
inappropriate vowel sounds for the way he pronounces his name in
English.)

> >ji'a lu ma'oste li'u cu lujvo fo lu cmavo liste li'u .i ji'a lu
> >gi'uste li'u .a lu gimste li'u cu lujvo fo lu gismu liste li'u
> >
> >ni'o mi nelcu'a zo gi'uste mu'i lo du'u lo te morna be fi zo gi'uste
> >cu smimau lo te morna be fi zo ma'oste lo te morna be fi zo gimste
> >
> zo'o.oi di'u pidu'e lojban

Robin explained what {ma'oste} means; I pointed out that the lujvo is
formed from cmavo+liste, and also pointed out the words {gi'uste} and
{gimste}, which both refer to the gismu list, being formed from
gismu+liste.

I prefer {gi'uste}, though, even though it's not the canonical form...
but I think I explained that bit already in the message you quoted.

mu'o mi'e .filip.
-- 
Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>