Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DDs7G-0002Lg-SM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:44:50 -0800 Received: from new.e-mol.com ([65.169.135.18] helo=mole.e-mol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.44) id 1DDs7E-0002LV-Mu for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:44:50 -0800 Received: from mail.123.net (nobody@new.e-mol.com [65.169.135.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id j2MMiGTd011083 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:44:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:44:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200503222244.j2MMiGTd011083@mole.e-mol.com> To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Matt Arnold Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: first question - Lojban c and j - what's the difference? In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net X-Originating-IP: [209.220.229.254] Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 1303 X-Approved-By: mattarn@123.net X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 815 The "j" sound, ZH, is voiced and the "c" sound, SH, is not. The difference is the same as the difference between S and Z. Or between F and V. Your vocal cords move with ZH, Z or V but with SH, S or F the sound is just the friction of blown air. - epkat lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote: >In the "Lojban For Beginners" lessons, about consonants, it says that >" >c: sh, as in SHip >j: as in meaSure or French bonJour >" >but I can't hear/see/think/percieve the difference >help, please? > >- Shindra > >___________________________________________________________ >Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. >Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com