Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 09 May 2005 10:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DVCM7-0003T0-IL for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:47:47 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DVCLx-0003SV-Lr for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:47:47 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so1895256wra for ; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:47:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pErm2GV9BvFdWCiyVVP7UWLe2SdIE2qkX034ohefuM9k3JXPW156wkHXMFdW8jalY896us+iSYALT/S2aIMO2oAhFqByk6zebbnQi7pW2WSHOw++iKr94xcfqsM2OQiYnzvRgfsF/5gGhnd9H6GIs8kON3NC+MSgqHLRniIQAB8= Received: by 10.54.32.36 with SMTP id f36mr2761691wrf; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605050910474cfaa3af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:47:06 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm a Believer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d175605050611562e77935d@mail.gmail.com> <001301c55287$b7534f00$0200a8c0@crh37> <925d1756050507071558a93753@mail.gmail.com> <925d175605050907254976fd63@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1425 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 377 On 5/9/05, Betsemes wrote: > > > Dreams (se senva) are abstractions too: "x1 dreams about/that > > x2 (fact/idea/event/state)". > > > Could you give a definition/explanation of what is an abstraction? In Lojban, properties, events, propositions, etc are called "abstractions", and the cmavo of selmaho NU are called "abstractors". mu'o mi'e xorxes