Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DlC9J-0007JK-24 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:48:41 -0700 Received: from new.e-mol.com ([65.169.135.18] helo=mole.e-mol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.50) id 1DlC9F-0007JC-5F for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:48:40 -0700 Received: from mail.123.net (nobody@new.e-mol.com [65.169.135.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id j5MKmZTd025445 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:48:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:48:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200506222048.j5MKmZTd025445@mole.e-mol.com> To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Matt Arnold Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: (No In-Reply-To: <12d58c1605062211406201dcc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <12d58c16050620114311a1f50d@mail.gmail.com> <20050620211054.GO32424@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <12d58c1605062014366852da8a@mail.gmail.com> <200506220013.25455.edward.cherlin@etssg.com> <12d58c1605062211406201dcc6@mail.gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net X-Originating-IP: [209.220.229.254] Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 1535 X-Approved-By: mattarn@123.net X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1035 lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote: >On 6/22/05, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> On Monday 20 June 2005 14:36, Adam COOPER wrote: >> > zgana x1 observes/[notices]/watches/beholds x2 using >> > senses/means x3 under conditions x4 >> Reporter observes war crimes with binoculars while under fire. Is it possible to use that place of the sentence to state that the reporter is under fire? Although he might be, I thought the x4 place would have to be merely stating that gunfire is a condition affecting viewing. I guess you could use an abstraction to fit a whole bridi in the x4 place-- something for the selbri having to do with getting shot at. A simpler example our class has used while translating {le pijyctu} is: {.i ko'a viska le xruti bloti lo bumru} "he views the returning ship under viewing conditions: fog." Fog is a straightforward aspect of the view. - epkat _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com