Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1DyysE-00089x-5V for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:28:02 -0700 Received: from ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com ([24.93.47.43]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Dyys8-00089j-P2 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:28:02 -0700 Received: from hypermetrics.com (cpe-66-68-164-156.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.164.156]) by ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j6ULRrgJ016709 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:27:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42EBF0D9.1010801@hypermetrics.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:27:53 -0500 From: Hal Fulton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Diagramming Lojban Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1655 X-Approved-By: hal9000@hypermetrics.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: hal9000@hypermetrics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1257 > Hal, > I'm all in favor of it. For each convention that is invented for diagramming, > the question to be asked is how does it instruct the viewer and clarify the > structure? > > There are hundreds of selma'o, which is too many to come up with a unique diagramming > method for each one. I would recommend that we come up with diagramming methods > for these more general categories of cmavo instead: > - Abstracts - Attitudinals - Connectives - Descriptors - Discursives > - Keyboard (alphanumeric, {ro}, verbal punctuation, shifts, etc.) > - Math expressions - Modals - Prosumti/bridi - Qualifiers (NAI, LAhE, NA, NAhE, LUhU) > - Relativizers (clause/phrase) - Sentence Structure (TUhE, FA, TUhU, NUhI, > FAhO, CEhE, FUhE, ZEI, ad infinitum) > - Tenses - Vocatives > Perhaps even some of these can share a diagramming method, such as vocatives and attitudinals. > -epkat Matt, You are far more knowledgeable than I am, as I don't even understand any more than half that list. To work on this project might be a learning experience for me. I would suggest we start with the simplest, most common forms. Are you interested in pursuing this together? Should we talk off-list so as not to subject others to it? Cheers, Hal