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Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>>.i .io lo finti cu jai gau simlu lo ka ba lo nu punji
>>cu galfi fi lo te vimcu be lo gasnu li'u ju'e 
> 
> 
> "It's really cool; the inventors made it seem that after the
> putting, there was modifying into something from which the doers
> were removed."
> 
> i.e. "The people who made up the records also made it look like the
> records were altered to hide who put the nuclear waste here".  I do
> remember having some trouble with that sentence, so if it's really
> totally incomprehensible, I'll try to re-work it again.

Doers of putting, so "who put the sign here"?

>>lu mi tugni .i ku'i pu ku mi cmibi'o li'u ju'e 
> 
> "Yep.  But that was long before my time.

Isn't it the other way around?
<before> {<> ku}, mi cmibi'o

>>lu .u'i ru'e li'a sai li'u
> 
> "Heh.  No shit."

I understand these things in Lojban better. :-)