Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 20 Aug 2005 04:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E6RtX-00044H-56 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 04:52:15 -0700 Received: from dionysos.oderland.com ([213.115.211.26]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1E6RtT-000449-3y for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 04:52:14 -0700 Received: from c-cdfae253.1210-16-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se ([83.226.250.205]) by dionysos.oderland.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1E6RuJ-0000HM-8N for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:53:03 +0200 Message-ID: <43071899.5050305@handgranat.org> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:48:41 +0200 From: Sunnan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050404) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why 16 References: <2d3df92a050819014471077557@mail.gmail.com> <2d3df92a0508191700767a9e0b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0508191700767a9e0b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dionysos.oderland.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - chain.digitalkingdom.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - handgranat.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1795 X-Approved-By: sunnan@handgranat.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: sunnan@handgranat.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 805 HeliodoR wrote: > Umm... we're not speaking about the same issue. :) > My question was about basic names for digits, from {no} to {vai}: why > do we have exactly 16 of them? You can cover all numbers with very few digits - one is enough (peano arithmetic), two is more common (binary code). For various reasons (for example, conserving the short-cmavo-namespace, and also for having fewer to remember) you'd want as few as possible. But you also want enough of them to cover the popular numerical bases. Speaking in hexadecimal with only ten numerals is annoying since there'd be ambiguity between B5 {papa mu} and 1F {pa pamu}, so we need at least sixteen. As few as possible + at least sixteen -> sixteen. (BTW, this doesn't cover twenty-based systems such as the mayan system.) mi'e snan