Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E8Un0-0004ej-KP for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:21:58 -0700 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E8Umt-0004eb-3z for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:21:58 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so544549rng for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:subject:date:x-mailer:from; b=jsGstFlmwH+8ZcmgeIxTbFbNJS7ew3CamJDNfmQAQ8Tz4UiJJCqKx7izaNORvsEXGdaGozIBZwBybMXrMWEDfPyAztKZ05ysOym+ZkFayDfeTniGIsfFPEb2iUcPw2AlIl2xdpMX6Fcv4kW3YlpNkC0CwSjlQy+aTbjY6jRdzv0= Received: by 10.38.13.18 with SMTP id 18mr1503188rnm; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [67.143.21.246]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id b66sm4193076rne.2005.08.25.20.21.41; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] A question about se Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:21:20 -0500 From: Zachary X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1865 X-Approved-By: vyseofarcadia17@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: vyseofarcadia17@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 481 I was just reading the section in Lojban for Beginners on conversion and the use of se. What puzzles me is not se itself, but the fact that both cu and se are placed before the selbri sometimes, but not always. For example le nu mi klama cu se tcika la daucac. Wouldn't the use of se in front of the selbri signify that it is the selbri, thus making cu useless? Or is se one of those cmavo that can be placed anywhere in a bridi, thus making cu necessary? - ZAkyris