Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ECWRO-0007Az-HN for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:56:18 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ECWRK-0007Ar-1M for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:56:18 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x3so680405nze for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:56:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z9zrNidrh6KYXCEplLksvW+ZkqaTBX8quO7SLduQOXLbEn8w3/yrMcFXG+RZNiUubAyhrmktrv3nfcXzneiJC8krvUuhSVCiXGqKvmGSAq1q1nlNrvYIjmT9XgOyY44Ba7jKGxGTZDCVuFkqAEcW/lDynBbYqTBRe8456siGiSc= Received: by 10.36.160.8 with SMTP id i8mr2946180nze; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.36.8 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8f2fd4aa050905225618ddfb03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:56:12 -0700 From: Brandon Wirick To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: On Constructed Languages In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1975 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: brandon@yrick.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 2109 coi.nei,omis. Since I was eleven years old I have developed a disdain for English. It's such a bloated dump of random thought patterns, and yet people seem to believe that, accompanied by good enough literary skills, it can be the right tool for technical communication, even internationally. I decided that I was going to make my own language. My friends and family looked at me with incredulity as I described a language based on math and logic, where things made sense from the ground up, and there was no amalgam of obsolete cultures to speak of. Over the last ten years I had been slowly gathering my thoughts. I started writing parts of the language, but realized that it would be a horridly large project and began to despair. Just this February, though, I tripped over a reference to Lojban in a Wikipedia entry and the despair went away, praise {la jegvon.}! True, the alphabet is still Roman and the {cmavo} are a bit arbitrary, but I never would have been able to come up with something a tenth as practical or half as elegant. And yeah, good luck trying to find a better logical human language. I used to care about Esperanto, but suddenly it has lost all significance to me. Non-logical languages are really only good for sounding pretty or powerful, and if they don't, where's the appeal? mu'omi'e.uirik. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: alien.juxtaposition@gmail.com > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 00:00:30 +1000 > Subject: [lojban-beginners] On Constructed Languages > Heyaz > Excuse me if I sound n00bish but only since my learning of Lojban have I > taken notice of the wonderful world of contructed languages....Esperanto, > Ido, Glosa, Novial etc........ I am frankly amazed at the amount of > languages; it really is fascinating, although I am not what I would consider > a 'hardcore' linguist or anything of the kind. What do you Lojbanists think > of the other artificial languages? What made you get into Lojban, not the > easier, more mainstream Esperanto? Do any of you speak in other constructed > languages? > > mi'e .nei,omis.