Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EHNzf-0004uM-2a for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:55:47 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EHNzT-0004uF-4l for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:55:46 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so289166nze for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:55:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aIQkUg96/7KaTemcSbwdeEQBEOxKR9mD70DNAP2ftWtGog1E8KBXXQeqfnsvX3DX22eRpMNTNbOPxhXYAqCGD+Di5jgoF1CCkX0sG4AU7w73vIE6dH/T6ZHQxcoGZ416AY6HKt5GOBfuNqjALE/GFLtopyQaGVvzP9I84QwsRww= Received: by 10.54.33.65 with SMTP id g65mr232138wrg; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.140.6 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:55:29 -0400 From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Genders In-Reply-To: <200509190452.AAA18658@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22006_14516329.1127145329636" References: <200509190452.AAA18658@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-archive-position: 2157 X-Approved-By: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 2129 ------=_Part_22006_14516329.1127145329636 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline der Mouse, thank you for your comments. I think you're right. Today I blogged about=20 this discussion: http://www.nemorathwald.com/ We should not despair of elegant simplicity of pronouns in Lojban to save u= s=20 from having to constantly repeat information. In fact, I think {ko'a},=20 {ko'e}, {ko'i} and the other wild-card assignable pronouns will allow us to= =20 bundle in even more information than we are used to. If you specify that=20 someone is male, Oriental, and short, and then say {goi ko'a} meaning=20 "hereafter referred to as the party of the first part," from then on when= =20 you say {ko'a} in that conversation it is not only a temporarily gendered= =20 pronoun, it is also a temporarily raced and heighted pronoun. It includes= =20 whatever knowledge the speaker has described. But only as long as that=20 conversation lasts. -epkat ------=_Part_22006_14516329.1127145329636 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline der Mouse,
thank you for your comments. I think you're right. Today I blogged about th= is discussion: http://www.nemorath= wald.com/

We should not despair of elegant simplicity of pronouns in Lojban to save us from having to constantly repeat information. In fact, I think {ko'a}, {ko'e}, {ko'i} and the other wild-card assignable pronouns will allow us to bundle in even more information than we are used to. If you specify that someone is male, Oriental, and short, and then say {goi ko'a} meaning "hereafter referred to as the party of the first part,&q= uot; from then on when you say {ko'a} in that conversation it is not only a temporarily gendered pronoun, it is also a temporarily raced and heighted pronoun. It includes whatever knowledge the speaker has described. But only as long as that conversation lasts.
-epkat

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