Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EHmYz-0004vJ-9k for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:09:53 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EHmYz-0004vC-1W for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:09:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:09:53 -0700 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: PodCast comments ... Message-ID: <20050920180953.GC1901@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <200509201654.59524.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200509201654.59524.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 2177 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1550 On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 04:54:59PM +0100, Colin Wright wrote: > Briefly, I think the "podcast" (whatever that is) was brilliant. > I downloaded the MP3 and transcript and am working through it, > understanding the spoken lojban and repeating the words. > > I have a real problem with part of it, though. Throughout the > letter "o" is being pronounced as the vowel sound(s) in these > words: > > low > though > toe > crow > > This includes, specifically, in the word "lojban". My > understanding from the written material is that the "o" sound > should be a pure vowel, pronounced as in "topic" or "hot". If you're correct, I've been mispronouncing a lot of things for some years now. However, this may be an accent issue. Looking at http://www.lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure-utf/phonol.html I see the examples of "joke" and "note". In my accent, these are pronounced the same way as "low" and "crow". On the other hand, American (which I am) "father", as well as "top" are given as examples of "a", not "o". In my accent (and, I should hope, in *most* English accents) the "o" in "top" is the same as the "o" in "topic". This also matches tho "o" in "hot". So, I think you have "o" and "a" confused, or you have an accent strikingly different from mine. To be fair, I haven't listened to the podcast yet. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/