Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EHmpM-0005Ke-Su for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:26:49 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.199]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EHmpF-0005KM-Ke for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:26:48 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so347029nze for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:26:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XW5k7Xz1M1Z31YtsA9C6E5zGtynYVIQ8KetnGy+P0iKU0tYDDMSKtlITB060rGaqTkzTnNBu6pZvAGSVDxE3M4VDPaK5CBsj+fYNIBShazCpXUta2hrvtngXWx7CAi5V3bims/qYgQnoJMLTTWQ5m04oKqqrMOMo5q+o/T9Wg2c= Received: by 10.54.36.79 with SMTP id j79mr1937112wrj; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.140.6 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:26:35 -0400 From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Test, and a request for help In-Reply-To: <20050920181530.GD1901@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30713_32580012.1127240795567" References: <200509201603.56667.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> <20050920181530.GD1901@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 2179 X-Approved-By: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 2580 ------=_Part_30713_32580012.1127240795567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/20/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >=20 > > I've got the huge input list of lojba/English words (thanks again > > Robin) but it's simply too big. ?I need to get an initial > > vocabulary. ?So what lojban words should a beginner learn first? >=20 > Most of my word lists are sorted by usage; why not just take the > first 200 or so? >=20 > -Robin >=20 I suspect that Colin feels this would not have enough variety (at first) to= =20 combine to form useful sentences right from the beginning. There is no gism= u=20 until word number 14 and the next one is not until 43. He seems to have=20 something Pimsleur-like in mind, involving whole sentences. This is why when I began committing cards in Supermemo I started out=20 skipping ahead to commit 1 gismu for every 4th or 5th cmavo, and gradually= =20 increased it until-- now that I've memorized almost half the vocabulary--= =20 I'm locking about 2 gismu for every 1 cmavo. -epkat ------=_Part_30713_32580012.1127240795567 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/20/05, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>= wrote:
> I've got the huge input list of lojba/English words (thanks again
&= gt; Robin) but it's simply too big. ?I need to get an initial
> vocab= ulary. ?So what lojban words should a beginner learn first?

Most of = my word lists are sorted by usage; why not just take the
first 200 or so?

-Robin
I suspect that Colin feels this would not have enough variety (at first) to combine to form useful sentences right from the beginning. There is no gismu until word number 14 and the next one is not until 43. He seems to have something Pimsleur-like in mind, involving whole sentences.
This is why when I began committing cards in Supermemo I started out skipping ahead to commit 1 gismu for every 4th or 5th cmavo, and gradually increased it until-- now that I've memorized almost half the vocabulary-- I'm locking about 2 gismu for every 1 cmavo.
-epkat
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