Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EITEe-0003yJ-PR for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:43:44 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EITEc-0003yB-Is for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:43:44 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so27450nzf for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:43:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aEoG+6DLduM5s2b7zoRJnqctoyG29iviBbFsfftQsICBd1k2eqqbsRiI3Ll5YECapO10ysuT6NROhpzaZz13c3Z5rRF7VW4pVwZxv22NX5bFBf6d2syX+sPwOGX7QC/zChQHRrYdCaQIfRfEchArKhzXzK0DQicR5iZfV36sV6g= Received: by 10.36.3.19 with SMTP id 19mr5740392nzc; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.61.18 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f3050922084327f16e75@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:43:41 -0500 From: Chris Capel To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Continuing with beginner vocabulary tools ... In-Reply-To: <200509221559.51104.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <200509221146.25195.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> <200509221559.51104.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2250 X-Approved-By: pdf23ds@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1692 On 9/22/05, Colin Wright wrote: > > Considering that you want a reduced set of flashcards, you definitely > > don't want to demand that rafsi be memorized. > > My thought has been that one card giving only english->lojban reviewed every > day is about the same work as two cards, one for each direction, reviewed > every other day. Each card has the same idea but in a different direction, > so I wonder if "two cards half as often" is a better solution. I asked the Supermemo help about this very question, and they said that in general having both directions isn't necessary and ends up being more work for you than you'd want. > Perhaps for each gismu there should be 10 cards, and that the initial review > period is set to 5 days for each card. Ack! I can't really explain succinctly why this is a bad idea, but my experience with Supermemo has shown that this sort of approach is probably very wrong. You'd be much better off spending the extra time you save from not having as many flashcards in reading lojban or translating things into lojban. Alternatively, you could look into branching out into other ways of reinforcing the gismu that provide a more natural context for the word. For instance, you could use the gismu in a short example bridi and convert that into three or four items. The more of your brain your items use, the more interconnected your knowledge of lojban will be, and the easier you'll find it to actually *use* the language. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)