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HeliodoR wrote:

>     However, I do prefer having mamta and patfu to the esperanto-style
>     patro and patrino, which is imho horrible.
>
> O_o They don't seem particularly irritating to me, but if You find 
> them offending,
> then down with patrino. Such a little change could be made to English, 
> too:
> we could say everything with 'parent' instead of 'mother' and 
> 'father', and the
> distinction between 'she' and 'he' to me seemed pointless since my birth.
> Though mamta is a valuable word; and not at all something like "the other
> parent". When I see mamta I consider something like "the one who gave 
> birth",
> which is beautiful rather then sexist...
>
Having mamta and patfu as separate words implies that both roles are 
important.
I find it sexist to use patro with it's roots in "father" as a general 
name for "parent".

Just for curiosity, what word would you use for a female parent who 
didn't give birth?

I'm especially interested in families other than "one male parent, one 
female parent".

>     For example, I look forward to writing non-sexist, sexually explicit
>     literature, something which is possible using lojban but few other
>     languages.
>
> Um... I really don't know much about the issue, but is this really 
> such an important
> and serious question?


It's why I chose to study lojban. Others have other reasons and I'm not 
*opposed* to the existance of mamta and patfu in the gismu list. I just 
prefer rirni unless specific detail is needed.