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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:53:04 -0300
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Lojban and Japanese
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I'v been studying japanese for three years and it's really similar to lojban. They both are highly logical, habe similar grammar and approaches to expressing things(like tanru and lujbo), and to some degree japanese is unambiguous in grammar although it's really ambiguous in meaning.

Some examples:

lojban: .i la lojban mo
japanese: ロジバンとは何
		rojiban-towa nani	
"The thing called lojban what"
wa marks the topic of the sentence(usually the subject). to comes from toiukoto and means "what/that is called..." to express that you want a concept explained.

tanru and lujbo:

"onna" means female and "ko" means child
女の子　onna-no ko = female child = girl
but you could use the on-yomi(rafsi) "jo" for female and "shi" for child and habe
女子　joshi = female-child = girl
If you can read the japanese characters on the left note thar although the reading is quite different it's written with the same simbols.

(だれかは)人をころす
(dareka-wa) hito-wo korosu
(someone) people-[direct_object_marquer] kills

if we add "-no" to the sentence we have the "event of someone killing people".
Then:

私は人をころすのがすき
Watashi-wa　hito-o korosu-noga suki
{{I-[topic]} {{people-[d_obj_mkr] kill}-[event][subject]} likeable}
"talking about me(my preferences), the event of people being killed is likeable" which is usually understood as "I like killing people" but could also mean "I like people being kiled(by someone)" as I didn't specify a subject. Also notice that "X1 likes X2"  is expressed as "X2 is likeable according to standard X1"

You have also word like issho-ni(together) to make the difence between
Bill and John carry a dog. (Bill carries a dog and John carries a dog)
Bill and John issho-ni carry a dog. (The group of{Bill and John} carries a dog)

And different "and"s for joining nouns, verbs or adjectives, and sentences.


Well, that's just something I wanted to share with you. If you are interested in what natural languages are similar to lojban consider japanese.

mi'e .lisandros
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ノイド 
Noid

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