Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EWyk9-0001Dz-Jj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:12:13 -0800 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.199]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EWyk7-0001Dl-65 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:12:13 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so898786nzf for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:12:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sBhFzaZ/ThMHTprJpPKVT8hMinfV3rPXRi8YjMQzt5H+Z/SV84MMDLbJr++kPCinhxhU3wtvhViODOOjNmHIPa+BdRQIEAxNwQcgNdJL/zrZeHGxtMNFZAbDZxGhmwMqXCLiBWZplucJiIBKvkYfcBr2GFM+X9y6Rl274FyMUVA= Received: by 10.36.220.46 with SMTP id s46mr466190nzg; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.222.49 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:12:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2d3df92a0511010812g74c93ce5o@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:12:10 +0100 From: HeliodoR To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Difficulties and frustrations In-Reply-To: <26506d300511010109h106bca31q@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14500_30698873.1130861530120" References: <26506d300511010109h106bca31q@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 2444 X-Approved-By: exitconsole@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: exitconsole@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 2252 ------=_Part_14500_30698873.1130861530120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > > I think what bugs me is that 'do' is getting lost in the flurry of > sounds... the listener might not even know the phrase is about them! If she/he understood that someone has just started to read a whatever, (s)he might recognize herself/himself in that "someone". :) (That's it! I'm fed up with English personal pronouns. From now on, {ri}, {ra}, {la'e di'u} and nothing else.) > > {glinanmu}? Would this not be {gliprenu}, as maleness is not part of the > > definition? .iesai Since some issues about sexism have been discussed on the list it's better to boycott every expression with a distinction between female and male. Don't even run the risk of hurting other people's (_PEOPLE'S_! :)) feelings= . mi'e xiLI,odor. ------=_Part_14500_30698873.1130861530120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I think what bugs me is that 'do= ' is getting lost in the flurry of
sounds... the listener might not even= know the phrase is about them!
 
If she/he understood that someone has just started to read a= whatever,
(s)he might recognize herself/himself in that "someone".&nbs= p;:) (That's it!
I'm fed up with English personal pronouns. From now on, {ri}, {ra}, {l= a'e
di'u} and nothing else.)
 
> > {glinanmu}? Would this not be {gliprenu}, as maleness is not= part of the
> > definition?
 
.iesai Since some issues about sexism have been discussed on= the list it's
better to boycott every expression with a distinction b= etween female and male.
Don't even run the risk of hurting other people's (_PEO= PLE'S_! :)) feelings.
 
mi'e xiLI,odor.
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