Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:31:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EWzyd-0002TY-QC for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:31:15 -0800 Received: from mailgw5.gedas.de ([139.1.44.13]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EWzyb-0002TP-5d for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:31:15 -0800 Received: from mailgw5.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw5.gedas.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA1HVB89010853 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:31:11 +0100 Received: from GDDEBESAPP004.de.gedas-grp (gddebesapp004.de.gedas-grp [10.242.64.42]) by mailgw5.gedas.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA1HUBjb010725 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:31:11 +0100 Received: from blnsem08.de.gedas-grp ([139.1.84.54]) by GDDEBESAPP004.de.gedas-grp with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:30:11 +0100 Received: by blnsem08.de.gedas-grp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:30:10 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Newton, Philip" To: "'lojban-beginners@lojban.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Difficulties and frustrations Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:30:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 17:30:11.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9A2AFA0:01C5DF09] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2448 X-Approved-By: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 979 la JEsikas. cu cusku di'e > > la filip. cu cusku di'e > > >counter-examples: {bloti condi rotsu} > > Yes. I wonder what justifies those gismu having three short rafsi? Hysterical raisins, as usual. TTBOMK, the story goes something like this: gismu used to have different rafsi. Then at one point, people decided to change rafsi (to optimise them?) - the Great Rafsi Reallocation (or something like that - GRR). They looked at existing usage to see which gismu had been used in which position (so that a gismu that's used nearly only in lujvo-final position, for example, can get a rafsi ending in a vowel so that it can continue to do so, etc.). They also looked at which rafsi had been used for gismu with multiple rafsi, to try to keep existing usage valid. I believe those three ended up with three rafsi each because of prior usage of each of the three possible rafsi, or something like that. Does someone know the story better? xorxes? camgusmis? mu'o mi'e .filip.