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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Time flies like an arrow
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On 11/2/05, Jessica <j.shewellbrockway@virgin.net> wrote:
> Are the following renderings of the phrase 'Time flies like an arrow'
> correct?
>
> .i le temci cu vofli se tai lo selre'o <= intended sense of the glibau

Strictly, it probably should be something more like:

   lo temci cu simsa lo selre'o lo ka vofli
   Time is like an arrow in the property of flying.

Or:

   lo temci cu vofli tai lo nu lo selre'o cu vofli
   Time flies like an arrow flies.

Or:

   lo temci cu vofli tai tu'a lo selre'o
   Time flies like an arrow does the obvious thing.

Without the {tu'a} we would be saying that the flying itself, rather
than time, is like an arrow. But the comparison should be of time
with an arrow, or of time's flying with an arrow's flying.

> .i ko merli le temci pe lo sfani se tai lo selre'o
> .i ko merli le temci pe lo sfani se tai lenu ko merli le temci pe selre'o

Same comment as above. We have the two possible meanings:

1- Measure the time of flies in the way that one measures the
time of arrows. ("Time flies like [timing] an arrow.")

2- Measure the time of flies in the way arrows measure the time
of flies. ("Time flies like an arrow [times flies].")

But the sumti added with {tai} is not compared with the x1 of merli,
it is compared with the event of merli.

(I would prefer to say something like {ko temci merli lo sfani},
but the place structure of {merli} is a whole new discussion.)

> .i ko merli le temci pe lo sfani poi ke'a tamsmi lo selre'o
> .i lo temci sfani cu nelci lo selre'o

mu'o mi'e xorxes