Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:42:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EcNYK-0000ph-BH for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:42:20 -0800 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.199]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EcNXn-0000pG-0w for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:42:16 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so1629771nzk for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:41:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hwwy0Rjc0Ybk/HZCNO12gSMw2EF7aw/U8rvqqShns/XgDGY7kcTLRORZLNHNkdoWkzT6NSu4FrLG3eLHtDCC1eJfVVWh796tLQXxPxTjABNgIpVvN9R7mmOuVf9UBg6TyJeRROj4WKqqBleGhqVLoj4rsNC7oNgiGdWwvU2gzxg= Received: by 10.64.142.16 with SMTP id p16mr649381qbd; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.72.15 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:41:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2d3df92a0511160541l8ce4d74y26c8edc556319ac3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:41:45 +0100 From: HeliodoR To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Schwa. In-Reply-To: <20051114151923.GA575@beverly.caldwell.out> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8973_22199899.1132148505118" References: <20051114112350.48230.qmail@web51506.mail.yahoo.com> <20051114151923.GA575@beverly.caldwell.out> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 2571 X-Approved-By: exitconsole@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: exitconsole@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 2349 ------=_Part_8973_22199899.1132148505118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > > u in up > u in pun o in from a in delta > > "uh" when someoune says: "Uh, I don't know." Those are {a} sounds. Schwa is what You don't ever pronounce clearly. Sometimes even English-speaking people fail to realize this problem, the problem of so much different vowels. English-learner: ...One feature of English that makes it wacky is the grea= t number of vowels... English-speaker: Why, we have only 5. English-learner: Excuse me, but not exactly. You have 18. English-speaker: No way! Let's see: 'a,' 'e,' 'i,' 'o,' 'u.' English-learner: And could You tell me which one is the vowel in 'car?' (Same with tenses - "Duh, 12? How come?") mi'e xiLI,odor. ------=_Part_8973_22199899.1132148505118 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
u in up
u in pun
o in from
a in delta

"uh"= when someoune says: "Uh, I don't know."
 
Those are {a} sounds.
Schwa is what You don't ever pronounce clearly.
Sometimes even English-speaking people fail to realize this problem,
the problem of so much different vowels.
 
English-learner: ...One feature of English that makes it wacky is the = great number of vowels...
English-speaker: Why, we have only 5.
English-learner: Excuse me, but not exactly. You have 18.
English-speaker: No way! Let's see: 'a,' 'e,' 'i,' 'o,' 'u.'
English-learner: And could You tell me which one is the vowel in = 'car?'
 
(Same with tenses - "Duh, 12? How come?")
 
mi'e xiLI,odor.
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