Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EdTm8-0006cB-Gs for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:33:08 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EdTm3-0006bz-KL for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:33:08 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so205915wri for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:33:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o1r9WeZjT/ibAM2cZD0pGSq73KVTt85uF216a1gsBb/sojfrlU/G0V1UrEU1x4iTuaM0A+yBTsAzbeVDhf8oWWyUdqdYCgqcT4nzlmneBj8p3SA+ts6cxe3YOnPWeb7gSr7iJE1lTIEsN5X8yXQMFOyqPUAf7ZAwQakIyvZGiGY= Received: by 10.54.100.2 with SMTP id x2mr53786wrb; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.5 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:33:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560511190633j100f3c6dhfa8f70c2a540924@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:33:02 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Up-to-date definition of Lojban In-Reply-To: <20051119060745.GK23316@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <1003614874.20051119120342@mail.ru> <20051119060745.GK23316@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2614 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1253 On 11/19/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 12:03:42PM +0600, Yanis Batura wrote: > > While preparing the third and fourth modules for Parallel, I found > > out (thanks to xorxes!) that the following sources now and then > > contradict each other: > > > > 1) Lojban For Beginners (LFB) > > > > 2) The Complete Lojban Language (CLL) > > > > 3) Definitions from cmavo.txt and gismu.txt > > > > 4) Definitions from BPFK sections. > > Yes, and I really wish xorxes would stop talking about that to > newbies. It's caused much more confusion than is useful. I don't see why beginners should be treated as if they were incapable of using their brains. All of the above are useful sources of information on Lojban for anyone who wants it. They may contradict one another here and there, mostly in minor points. So what? Even when things are officially published, they will inevitably contain glitches. What do you suggest we do when someone asks about a controversial topic? "You'll find out when you grow up"? As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing in Lojban that a beginner who is interested can't handle from the very moment they start learning the language, if they are interested. mu'o mi'e xorxes