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Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 04:45:27 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Up-to-date definition of Lojban
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> On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 05:59:03PM -0300, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
> Then I've repeatedly misread you in some fashion.  Every time *I've*
> seen you explain xorlo, to my recollection, you've done it without
> any comment whatsoever that it was tentative and could be over-ruled
> at any time.

When you explained xorlo on the lojban wiki
(at http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Xorlo)
I intepreted it as more or less final but for a technicality.

So maybe it's not xorxes.i'e that has this presentation problem.

Different people learn things differently -- when I'm picking up a
programming language, sometimes I want do simple examples but sometimes I
feel that only looking at the BNF (or equivalent) can explain what I'm
wondering.

When I'm learning a library API I can sometimes go crazy until I remember
to look in the include.h-files. Then again, sometimes the documentation
*is* better.

I've been helped by both LFB and the CLL (but I still have a lot to learn).
Mostly I've learned by using jbofi'e way too much.

At first I got a guilty twinge everytime I used it, and thought that it
was a crutch in the bad sense of the word. But lately I've come to think
that if there existed françaispoissons or nihongo-fish my language studies
would benefit from it. I'm already further in lojban than in french (not
to mention japanese).

After all, it's easier to write lisp code when you can test at the REPL.