Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 02:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Ee8eF-00007h-8X for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 02:11:47 -0800 Received: from smtpout0170.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.170] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Ee8du-00007L-Db for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 02:11:40 -0800 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (82.13.37.195) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) (authenticated as josephine.shewellbrockway) id 4377A22C000D95AF for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:11:12 +0000 Message-ID: <43819D3E.3010105@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:11:10 +0000 From: Jessica User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051011) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Parallell 2 References: <4085.85.226.150.186.1132523915.squirrel@handgranat.org> <1486637857.20051121073033@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <1486637857.20051121073033@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-archive-position: 2636 X-Approved-By: j.shewellbrockway@virgin.net X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: j.shewellbrockway@virgin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1916 Yanis Batura wrote: >>Is Parallell 2 zifre or only no jdima? If the latter, is there a free >>version available? >> >> > > > >>Which toolkits do I need to build it? >>TIA, >>mi'e snan >> >> > >Parallel is both free and 0-priced, as you say, but I somehow feel such usage is a bit malglico :) > >We here in Siberia have things much simpler than out there in the outside world. And don't put juridical comments on 20 pages about those simple things. >If the program is free, then it's free, i.e. absolutely free. >I can even give you its source if that could make any sense. >The program is written on Delphi 7 + KOL (which explains its tiny size). > >Several prenu have asked already whether there's a version for Linux; I don't know. Neither I have seen Linux, nor that version. But having in mind the extremely primitive idea of the program, it must be easy to linux-ish-create it, too. > >Yanis Batura > > For the software to be free, the source code must be freely available. http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html I disagree regarding the malglico comment. Most languages have a way of distinguishing free-as-in-beer from free-as-in-speech. In French, for example, these words are respectively 'libre' and 'gratuit'. There is a real and tangible difference. 'Freeware' programs such as Skype or Finale Notepad are free-as-in-beer / gratuit / nonjdima, but come with a hefty list of restrictions, and the companies which distribute them keep the source code to themselves, and thus the programs are not free-as-in-speech / libre / zifre. It would be malglico to use {zifre} when what was required was {nonjdima}, just as it would be malglico to say {lo temci vofli} instead of {temci sutra}. Given that the program was written in Delphi, it will be hard to port to Linux. I would think a better solution would be to write from scratch a GTK or Java version. mi'e JEsikas.