Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EeG2A-0007mE-Lp for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:04:54 -0800 Received: from mailgw5.gedas.de ([139.1.44.13]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EeG28-0007m6-6U for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:04:54 -0800 Received: from mailgw5.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw5.gedas.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jALI4p9m008390 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:04:51 +0100 Received: from GDDEBESAPP004.de.gedas-grp (gddebesapp004.de.gedas-grp [10.242.64.42]) by mailgw5.gedas.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jALI4p7G008384 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:04:51 +0100 Received: from blnsem08.de.gedas-grp ([139.1.84.54]) by GDDEBESAPP004.de.gedas-grp with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:04:51 +0100 Received: by blnsem08.de.gedas-grp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:04:50 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Newton, Philip" To: "'lojban-beginners@lojban.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Parallell 2 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:04:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2005 18:04:51.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[117FF160:01C5EEC6] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2642 X-Approved-By: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 929 la xiLI,odor. cu cusku di'e > > Good point. Maybe {jai se zifre} is better? > > No-no-no! <:-| I wrote that to completely leave the Anglicism behind. > Software are simply not 'zifre', as are not chairs, source codes, or > goods, either. No, they do not {zifre} themselves, but they have something to do with {se zifre}. > They have nothing to do with liberty. But they do! Software which you are at liberty to change, study, or distribute. > 'Free' here means You don't have to pay for it. No, that is not what is meant by "Free software". Software can be Free even if you paid for it! Free is *exactly* to do with liberty. At least in the context of "free and open source software". In the context of "freeware", the "don't have to pay for it" meaning is the one intended. The two are sometimes differentiated as "free-as-in-beer" (lo se jdima be li no) and "free-as-in-speech" (lo jai se zifre). mu'o mi'e .filip.