Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EevaX-0003f6-61 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:27:09 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EevaU-0003ey-KH for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:27:08 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so871153wra for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:27:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mDNaW0awvNXEzbTUHgSPHqhsmsEJJ17zic5kMiiuT23az3TBzwSHtrzbf1z5c/ZQDv746rpnzhal+ZxqpWhkcXAm5/VHpJZCbQ0jgAaCJX7QzwvAwMnznFVcBiNix8pCYljcN2eDj9ay8nluJs8KtQfHKBNkBSUWT5EgrZDjHsQ= Received: by 10.54.66.7 with SMTP id o7mr815055wra; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:27:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.5 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:27:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560511230627n722ddde8odd825ef1fe90bba4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:27:04 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Something, somebody. In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0511230616y7732abf9o349fd8d71b9b9e34@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051123084304.99753.qmail@web51506.mail.yahoo.com> <925d17560511230418u67ba4c09oe24e488a7d3b4c7a@mail.gmail.com> <2d3df92a0511230616y7732abf9o349fd8d71b9b9e34@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2660 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 568 On 11/23/05, HeliodoR wrote: > > > lo prenu cu zvati le kumfa > > A person is in the room. > > > > lo dacti cu zvati le kumfa > > An object is in the room. > > I thought {dacti} incuded {prenu}. Does not it? Yes, dacti is any material object. If you want to restrict it to non-persons, you might say {lo nalpre dacti}. Also, {lo prenu cu zvati le kumfa} could mean "there are people in the room". If the number is important you have to specify it: {pa prenu cu zvati le kumfa} = "there is exactly one person in the room". mu'o mi'e xorxes